Thursday, June 22, 2006
huh
so let's take stock on what's going on here in america- we have troops fighting two war fronts in the middle east, we have national guard troops along the southern border and in new orleans for security, we have domestic survellaince information coming in to review, we have a soaring national debt and any amount of other policy issues. does that faze our vice president? nah- he's in bed early every nite- after having worked an 8 or 9 hour day. cushy job- easy, good benefits, and a life long stipend- must be a government job.
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VP? your link goes to a George/Laura story.. what gives?
But since you asked...
You know I've never voted for the man,.. But I HAVE to give him this little bit of credit. He is always on time. Something of a pet-peeve of mine. White house meetings start and stop on time, press briefings as well.
We all remember "Clinton Time", yes? Bill must have never owned a watch because that Administration was notorious for the lack of courtesy of showing up on time for anything, even diplomatic trips were a boondogle of scheduling faux paux.
Second thimg about Bush I admire? He is never seen in the oval office without a coat and tie. That is respect for the oval office. Remember the clips of Bill with sweats, his gut clearly straining the draw-string pants, wearing a hat (indoors)while munching on a half dozen McGriddles for breakfast? ...
I know,... this is menial stuff to the more "important" things... but I like to bring balance to things.
my point is- how can you do this most important job in 8 hours a day. allegedly he also works out 2 hours a day- so how much time is he devoting to the presidency? that is why i called him the vp instead. cheney is in charge of the war on terror- not bush.
Its a union job... not allowed to work more than 40 a week :)
amazing ... but he'll be the first person to jump up and say that we cant and will not pull out of iraq ... funny thing is that the General in charge over there is trying to decrease numbers by 6,000 - 10,000 ... in perspective thats not really alot considering there are well over 100,000 ... but hey, we'll take what we can get right now ...
whats really the shocker is that ... we are not at all in control of our gov't ... dont get me wrong i know how the system works to "trick" joe and jane ... but come on ... 3/4 of the country wants bush out of office ... and rightfully so ... but nothing has happened ... now wasnt there talk about clinton possibly getting the boot after his fiasco ... so is this the moral we are sending americans: invade countries that the rest of the world told us to stay out of, spend trillions on nothing, make stupid jokes and have no idea about whats going on ... ok ... getting a bj after a hard days work ... bad ...
side note ... truth-pain ... i would rather have my president in sweats and care about whats going on ... then suit and tie and be totally lost!
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This is not a very nice thing to say, but the man, Bush, does not deserve a single minute of sleep at night. I think he should lie awake, every night, for the rest of his life, and think about the ever-increasing number of our bravest soldiers who have died because he lied. Soldiers like the two brave men who were tortured and killed last week.
It is evident he will not be impeached as he deserves, so I do not want him to ever forget what he did to the families of these soldiers. If I had my own newspaper, every time I would introduce Bush it would be, "President Bush, who lied about the reasons for going into Iraq and sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths..." You get the picture. Thanks for letting me rant, betmo. Great post as usual.
"because He Lied".... talk about a focus-group tested word.
I hate to break up a party but this independent non-Bush voting voter if aware that EVERY single intelligence entitity both foreign and Domestic, Presidents Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43, and many Democratic Senators are on record as saying that Iraq was a Clear and present Danger to the united states, that he HAD WMD, that he had used such on the Kurds,... we all thought he was developing a nuclear program. They (Iraq) had failed to meet the standards of 13 UN resolutions to comply with inspections,...
Can we just move on and figure out a reasonable way to both tell the Government we don't agree with this war but not keep drinking this "lie" Kool Aid? Look I've read the book, I know what Colin Powell said, I know the yellow cake from Africa was tenious evidence at best (and mangled British intelligence analysis for sure)... Do we want a different administration in 08" (mind you I said WE) then stop the slogans and kill the echo chamber, Please. Half my friends who are considering not voting for the republicans come right back to the fence perch every time they hear the anti-Bush bash.
Keep this crap up and you are certainly going to turn ME off!... You think I am even THINKING of voting for Democrats?... not with this BS you won't. Let it go. We ALL know the failures, the mixed signals, the this and that's,... Kennedy "lied" about the Bay of Pigs, Reagan "lied" about the true facts of Grenada and Beirut,.... THEY all have systematic failures of intelligence and THEY ALL do this to further partisan needs. Nixon was the ONLY one how was tossed out due to lying really,...and would have surely been impeached had he not resigned. Believe me, Ive studied this Bush-boloney. Yes he is not the smartest guy we've ever voted in but let me read you the Riot act for once. You try to bring articles of impeachment against Bush and it won't even make it to a Senate trial. The evidence is subjective at bets, and his reasoning for going to war is adequate when look at with objective lenses,.. something lacking in todays partisan pee-pistol ranting.
Its done, were there,.. lets help the troops and their families get through this mayhem of hell.
"Bush lied, people died"... keep it up,... here comes Gingrich. You heard it here first.
tp- gingrich is planning on running- i heard him say it last week or so. i just had to re-read my original post because i had no idea what it was about after all of this. i will just clarify my original post and then we can all hopefully move on- i posted this because i wanted to clearly state that-in my opinion- bush behave more like the vice president than the actual sitting president. i have formed said opinion over time and it has been solidified after watching frontline. i am not basing my decision on one show- i have built up this impression almost from day 1. bush says what he is told to say. cheney's agenda was to go to war in iraq- for whatever reasons he and rumsfeld had. the information to go into iraq was based on information gleaned from reports from before the gulf war and the mid- 90's. so, they cooked the information because they did not go throught the cia to get it- rumsfeld has his own intelligence gathering entity in the pentagon. tenet went along with the sham because he and bush were friends and because he wanted to become a big player in washington.
having cleared the air- hopefully- yes- we are in iraq and need to start mobilizing the removal of our people. as the opposition to the right wing- we need to have a clear agenda in regards to the corruption, lies, erosion of civil liberties in america, and so on- all of which i have posted before. i didn't think that that was bush bashing or cheney bashing- and aside from you- a libertarian- i doubt very much that anyone else who leans right would be swayed by my words anyway. so- that's my last word.
TP-I respect your opinion and you certainly have some valid points, but, no, I will not let up on the 'Bush lied' mantra.
As of this morning 2510 of our brave soldiers have died in Iraq with 5 more awaiting confirmation.
If the only trial Bush will receive will be in the court of public opinion, then so be it. But I want the trial to last for a long time. Even impeachment would not make what he did right.
It sounds like you have indeed studied the run up to the war, and yes, many in Congress supported it, but they did not have as much info as Bush. Yes, they are certainly almost as guilty for voting to rush in, but Bush being the CEO needs to take responsibilty and say the buck stops here. Something he still has yet to do. Cindy Sheehan is ten times the patriot Bush is. I admire her fight for justice even though I agree it has become too much of a political vehicle for other groups.
Although I feel sorry for Bush, I feel more sorry for the families who lost their loved ones, and I do not foresee that changing. If wanting Bush to be held accountable for his 'lies' at worst, or 'mistakes' at best costs us votes in November, then so be it. If the truth is going to cost Democrats votes, then we have all already lost anyway.
One analogy. Many conservatives say the government should be run more like a corp. Corps have CEO's. What would happen to a CEO of a company that approved a policy that, even by a completely honest mistake, cost the lives of some of its workers? He would no longer be a CEO for sure. 2008 cannot come too soon.
Thank you for the good debate.
actually, shawn, i was going to say that the ceo would have gotten more stock options and a bigger bonus- but that's just me being cynical.
Sean:
The pleasure to debate happens when 2 oppsosite points can converge, disagree and go their merry ways with respect for the other's view. I appreciate your opinion and certainly feel that most (if not all) your points have a seasoned validity.
Maybe my longer view is that there are so many squirmish independents out there that even though they dont like Bush, they dis-like the rhetoric even more. The elections are going to be historically close,.. i would hate for a bone-headed candidate to win based on voters "voting against someone" rather than voting FOR someone.
But as you said, you have every right to espouse your view and remind the hoi polloi of the facts lest they forget. Americas's attention span is after all, the size of a gnat.
hoi polloi- gee tp- where'd you dig up that gem? :) thanks for your comments- i think that you are right about the rhetoric but i also think that it works the other way. if i hear sound bites- much like yourself i think- i click away. that is why i am having such a hard time finding decent right leaning sites to read. they are full of the talking head's rhetoric and no individual thought whatsoever. then, these folks get mad when you call them on using the same tired lines- you may feel that way about the left too- but i don't see it as much. it's probably because i am biased but the left leaning blogs i visit are a more diverse lot. the right leaning blogs are currently anti islamic, anti mexican, anti left and anti environmental. thoughts?
(LOL!) Hoi Polloi was the name of one of my friend's bands here in the Bay Area; so I can't take full credit for learning that loving morsel of a phrase on my own. But I drop it now and then to pretend I'm a lot smarter than I really am :)
I tend to agree with your view on left vs right blogs. Left views are definetely more diversied in topic, themes and acceptance of diverging lifestyles. Right-leaning ones are more narrow in scope, more entrenched in tradition and religious ethos as it testifies to what they believe the country was founded upon.
The only thing I can say from a somewhat objective view is that lefties are definetely more thin-skinned or sensitive in banter. Right wing bomb throwers have way more fun it seems lobing grenades with no deference to sentiments,... at least to me, but that could just be my own experience and nothing more.
truth- that's the thing- the right come by-often anonymously- and bomb the left blogs. they won't debate and if you try to discuss things- they get defensive and leave. the left may be more thin skinned on their own blogs but the right definitely has a thin skin when it comes to the actual facts. that has been my experience- present company excluded.
Betmo:
"the right leaning blogs are currently anti islamic, anti mexican, anti left and anti environmental. thoughts?"
That comment is not completely true. I AM in favor of protection and careful utilization of the environment. I'm not anti-Mexican, but anti illegal immigration. I guess I'm only batting .500 as a conservative?
thnak you vp for coming by- i am glad to know that there are some voices out there who aren't those things. if you can recommend some blogs i might read that don't focus exclusively on those areas- i would be much obliged.
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