Friday, July 21, 2006

friedman on the islamic world

theodore dalrymple, phyisician and psychiatrist who writes for the daily spectre in london, learned from talking to imprisoned muslim youth,

"...most schools of islam today treat the qu'ran as a divinely inspired text that is not open to any literary criticism or creative reinterpretation. it is a sacred book to be memorized, not adapted to the demands and opportunities of modern life. but without a culture that encourages and creates space for, such creative reinterpretation, critical thought and original thinking tend to wither. this may expalin why so few world-class scientific papers cited by other scholars come out of the arab-muslim universities."

"if the west had made shakespeare, 'the sole object of our study and the sole guide of our lives,' said dalrymple, 'we would soon enough fall into backwardness and stagnation. and the problem is that so many muslims want both stagnation and power: they want a return to the perfection of the seventh century and to dominate the twenty-first, as they believe is the birthright of their doctine, the last testament of god to man. if they were content to exist in a seventh-century backwater, secure in a quietist philosophy, there would be no problem for them or us; their problem , and ours, is that they want the power that free inquiry confers, without either the free inquiry or the philosophy and instituitons that guarantee that free inquiry. they are faced with a dilemma: either they abandon their cherished religion, or they remain forever in the rear of human technical advance. neither alternative is very appealing, and the tension between their desire for power and success in the modern world on the one hand, and their desire not to abandon their religion on the other, is reolvable for some only by exploding themselves as bombs. people grow angry when faced with an intractable dilemma; they lash out.'

"...it does not make wars obsolete. and it does not guarantee that governments will not engage in wars of choice, even governments that are part of major supply chains. to suggest so would be naive. it guarantees only that governments whose countries are enmeshed in global supply chains will have to think three times, not just twice, about engaging in anything but a war of self-defense. and if they choose to go to war anyway, the price they will pay will be ten times higher than it was a decade ago and probably ten times higher than whatever the leaders of that country think."

"america's role in the world, from its inception, had been to be the country that looks forward, not back. one of the most dangerous things that has happened to america since 9/11, under the bush administration, is that we have gone from exporting hope to exporting fear. we have gone from trying to coax the best out of the world to snarling at it way too often. and when you export fear, you end up importing everyone else's fears. yes, we need people who can imagine the worst, because the worst did happen on 9/11 and it could happen again. but, as i said, there is a fine line between precaution and paranoia, and at times we have crossed it."

"in societies that have more memories than dreams, too many people are spending too many days looking backward. they see dignity, affirmation, and self-worth not by mining the present but by chewing on the past. and even that is usually not a real past but an imagined and adorned past. indeed, such societies focus all their imagination on making that imagined past even more beautiful that it ever was, and then they cling to it like a rosary or a strand of worry beads, rather than imagining a better future and acting on that. it is dangerous enough when other countries go down that route; it would be disastrous for america to lose its bearings and move in that direction."

"i believe that history will make very clear that president bush shamelessly exploited the emotions around 9/11 for political purposes. he used those 9/11 emotions to take a far-right republican domestic agenda on taxes, the environment, and social issues form 9/10- an agenda for which he had no popular mandate- and drive it into a 9/12 world. in doing so, mr. bush not only drove a wedge between americans and the world, he drove a wedge between america and its own history and identity. his administration transformed the united states into "the united states of fighting terrorism." this is the real reason, in my view, that so many people in the world dislike president bush so intensely. they feel that he has taken away something very dear to thenm- an america that exports hope, not fear."

i will end with saying that he goes on to say that one of the largest population of muslims today resides in india- and they are prospering. why? there are no suicide bombers there because they have something to do and work for. with oil at all time highs, the american oil men and arab oil men get insanely rich- but the population doesn't. there aren't taxes and there aren't jobs- uneployment rates are in the 20%-30% range in many arabic countries. if you are living in a world where all you do is have time to think about how great you used to be-- our math comes from ancient arabia--and how backwards your country is now- and you don't have a way to fix it- then you get mad. very simplistic i know and there is no excuse for the taking of human lives. i just think that it behooves us to have some insight into what is going on in the minds of the middle east. forewarned is forearmed.

9 comments:

dawn said...

this is a very interesting post. I'm not sure I agree with it all but I'm glad it's posted. That's what I thought America was about Democracy. We have 5 months left of Bush and then we'll see. Have a great weekend

G_in_AL said...

I liked this one. I thought it was very insightful, and thought provoking. I think it did ignore that Bush had to so something, and again, as the tired argument goes, provides no tangible solutions in the place of the policies that it finds flawed (i.e. easier said than done), but, I do think it presented the argument against Bush and current policies in a very thoughtful and dignified manner.

Two other notes real quick: India has a large Muslim population, but also a very large Hindu population and some Muslim no? 80% Hindu, 14% Muslim, 2.4% Christian, 2% Sikh, 0.7% Buddhist, 0.5% Jains, 0.4%

This makes India not exactly the standard we should compair all Muslim nations too. Remember, Pakistani Muslims are blowing themeselves up in India to kill Hindus.

Pete said...

Betmo

Thought provoking post.

Its difficult for the Dalrymple's paper to generalise about Islamic teaching when one looks at Iran. The Iranians are often seen as relatively "European" (perhaps like the Turks do - a Persian trait?). They're not Arabs, have a rising industrial base (including nuclear!) and have a high percentage of university/college education.

Yet Iran is widely seen as the main Muslim bogeyman at the moment - maybe well deserved if it builds or buys nukes.

So Dalrymple's paper is a little simplistic in critical areas.

Pete

Unknown said...

God this is good..I am linking to it. this so rocks..thanks for posting it. :)

billie said...

perhaps i should explain that these are excerpts from thomas friedman's book and dalrymple was quoted in the book- so i just took excerpts from that. yes- this is simplistic but in light of recent developments- i found it interesting. trust me- the book is 470+ pages so i just took a few passages to give a flavor.

as far as india- i realize that the hindus are the majority there but they can be held up against other muslim areas because there are mulims in france, and other european nations, southeast asia- mainly indonesia, america, etc. this shows that muslims can coexist within a non muslim framework without having too many problems assimilating. as for the muslims in the middle east- i think that the arab muslims are very different. the indians in the kashmir may be on their own because the multinational corporations want a stable environment and india backed down in 2002 when there was a flare up with pakistan at the urging of their corporate lobbyists there.

the bottom line is- the arabs have to right themselves because it is their religious identity that is causing the main problem. that isn't going to happen as long as they still have oil because they have no incentive to play nice with others at this point and it is a hell of alot easier to blame everyone else than themselves. you can't force a democracy on people.

Jeremy said...

I've dreamed about writing this well.

This is one of my favorite points:

"we have gone from trying to coax the best out of the world to snarling at it way too often. and when you export fear, you end up importing everyone else's fears. yes, we need people who can imagine the worst, because the worst did happen on 9/11 and it could happen again. but, as i said, there is a fine line between precaution and paranoia, and at times we have crossed it."

Jeremy said...

I wanted to add more there...

Friedman is big into really looking at both "pride" and economic reasons, and self-hatred and a longing for the once great culture the Islamic/Arab world once was for much of what fuels radical Islam. I find that incredibly interesting and an angle at which very few in our media tend to look.

I watched a Discovery Time channel feature of his exploring the 'why they hate us' question, and many of the answers he discovered had surprisingly little to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict, our freedom, their religion etc.

In other words, it's about pride, economic conditions, a once great culture that is now lost, etc.

You can see analogies of that here in America - folks tend to turn to organized religion more when they are worse off economically, and when individual cultures and groups of people are struggling socioeconomically.

DivaJood said...

Now I have to buy the Friedman book. Good post, quite astute observations.

But any fundamentalist belief system wants to remain in a past era while grabbing power. I look at certain sects of ultra-Orthodox Jews who would tell me I'm not Jewish because of the way I dress, eat, live my life.

Ultra-fundamentalist Christians who are convinced that the world was made in 6 days, that it's only been around for about 6000 years - my god, a good friend who is a Jehovah's Witness tells me the most outrageous things that he believes!

I'm way too tired - had a full week today - but thank you for this post.

shawn (aka blogstud) said...

I wish we had 5 more months of Bush left, Dawn. I do not blame you for wishful thinking, but George will be around til January, 2009.

betmo, your comment "they feel that he has taken away something very dear to them-an america that exports hope, not fear." I think hits the nail right on the head.

Pretty much sums up how I feel but could never put into words.

It is too late to undo Bush's mistakes that ticked so many countries and people off, but it is not too late to start strengthening old alliances.

I do not know what the solution in the Middle East is, but it is clear to me that Bush does not either.

Excellent post as usual.