Tuesday, February 13, 2007

some fine questions...

my buddy truth-pain has asked some fine questions in his mini-rant in the previous post and although i haven't quite finished with my morning cuppa- i am going to try and address them- from my perspective. the post was about a minister in california fleecing his sheep- i mean congregation and the second was about mike huckabee running his mouth about gay marriage. i won't presume to give a synopsis of the rant- you should read it for yourself- it has some good questions.

as to the issue of gay marriage- currently- to my knowledge- states have differing criteria for getting a marriage certificate but once obtained, it is recognized federally. the same should be for same sex couples. there is no real rational reason to not make it so. i don't buy into the religion bullcrap. i won't get started on the religion crap because i have absolutely no respect for it- and it is not my intention at this time to go out of my way to offend anyone. at least not until after my second cuppa :)

as to the second prong of the rant- i mostly agree. i think that it is fairly obvious that there are certain things that fall under the purview of the federal government and that the constitution was designed with a balance between federal and states government. having said that, the american population ceded their rights to the federal government and the government- executive branch especially but not exclusively- capitalized on that and seized much more power. we really have no constitution anymore but folks don't realize that. we have given up our freedoms in the name of convenience and in the name of security. both based on egocentric laziness and self importance. we are so self centered and consumeristic these days that we can't be bothered to worry about what we have lost. once lost- they are that much harder to get back- if ever. so if you are still clinging to the outmoded notion that the democratic republic exists- i am sorry.

it is a simple matter really- civil unions should not be debated on religious grounds- but secular ones based in law. tough shit to the religious folks. you don't have to allow anyone you don't want to marry in your church now- so there would be no change. and this may come as a news flash- but there are millions of people in this country who don't believe in your god. this is our country too and if you don't like it- perhaps you should move to somewhere that shares your views. i have been told that many times. quid pro quo. and an FYI- my marriage doesn't effect yours in the slightest. chances are- you have never even heard of me. so- i doubt very much that civil unions will effect your marriage. if it does, then i think that your marriage probably has bigger issues.

thanks tp- for the thought-provoking rant :) i know that you are libertarian but you are right of where i am so it got the juices flowing. now- for the second morning cuppa....

6 comments:

Truth-Pain said...

Betmo:
Thanks for the link-up. I'm glad my little rant gave you some fodder for another posting. Any time I can get somebody's juices flowing to agree, disagree, correct or deviate from my own thought patterns is a good day...no matter the outcome.

Now is that Sumatra or Colombian blend you are enjoying?....

dawn said...

I agree with you, my marriage has no effect on you or anyone else or religion. You know I work as a medical insurance broker and even the medical insurance companys now offer domestic partnership. It's about time this country who is so democratic and free give the people the right to marry who the hell they want to.

Granny said...

I was thinking about the "full faith and credit" clause when I read your earlier post. I think about it a lot which doesn't do much for my blood pressure.

Why doesn't it apply to marriage or adoption? My marriage is recognized in the other 49 states; why not a gay or lesbian couple from Massachusetts? And why are gay/lesbian parents afraid to take their adopted children into states that don't allow gay adoption?

Have you noticed that Michigan's new law forbidding gay marriage may be extended to eliminate the rights extended to domestic partners?

I knew it was coming; just didn't know what state would be first.

BZ said...

Hey Betmo,

It has been a while huh? Just so you know I have been reading all your rants and have been enjoying them all. I finally got around to letting you know that this paragraph was great:

it is a simple matter really- civil unions should not be debated on religious grounds- but secular ones based in law. tough shit to the religious folks. you don't have to allow anyone you don't want to marry in your church now- so there would be no change. and this may come as a news flash- but there are millions of people in this country who don't believe in your god. this is our country too and if you don't like it- perhaps you should move to somewhere that shares your views. i have been told that many times. quid pro quo. and an FYI- my marriage doesn't effect yours in the slightest. chances are- you have never even heard of me. so- i doubt very much that civil unions will effect your marriage. if it does, then i think that your marriage probably has bigger issues.


Also I have been reading your blog through my google reader account so I have not noticed all the graphic changes you have made. Lookin’ good. Keep up your guard. Is it too early to start being weary of your democratic support in 2008? Third party not Republican Light, yeah I know even Kucinich and Obama. I guess you will watch the Democratic congress do nothing till then, and you might jump ship. We need you in the third party camp!

Kaia misses your comments stop by some time soon. Who knows maybe I will get back into politics again soon….It’s not that I stopped caring, I am just looking for some direction.

Obob said...

this is one of teh issues the Church do not agree, not that Pope Benny listens to my musings. I cannot look at my gay frinds in the eye and tell them they are not allowed to be married. Look at what us heteros have done to it. This goes the same for adoption.
Plus if I have to battle through marriage, I'm taking as many down with me as possible.

betmo said...

bz honey- i am beyond tired of politics. all i am looking for are people- left or right or center- of integrity and honesty. people who won't sell their soul to the devil for money and power. if you know of any of those folks- please give me some peace of mind!